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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world are convening...
for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non Summit Meeting.
(Episode 149)
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-Yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome representatives.)
We'll be looking at the ranks of each country in the "B-board Chart".
America has the Billboard Chart. Japan has the Oricon Chart.
And we have the "B-board Chart".
This week's "B-board" topic will be on...
"Our Country's Pessimism Index".
The Davos Forum, a world economic forum,
surveyed close to 18,000 people in 25 different countries...
and ranked the pessimism index of each country.
Pessimism index sounds like a difficult concept. But basically, when they asked,
"Is your country is heading in the right direction?",
nearly 62 percent of the people answered no.
Close to half of those people were pessimistic about the future of their country.
So it means they're more pessimistic the higher they're ranked?
Yes. It's not a good thing.
How many of you think your country rank in the top 10?
If you're talking about pessimism,
you can't leave out Aurélien.
Yes.
- France? - Yes.
- Why? - You sure?
You ask why?
Well...
- He's already pessimistic. - He already sounds so...
The way he speaks is already pessimistic. "You ask why?"
The French are a pretty pessimistic group. They're actually very critical.
They are very critical.
- We're probably on the list too. - Italy?
Italians love to badmouth their own country.
They get really angry if a foreigner badmouth our country but...
- They're really similar to us. - They are.
Us too. We hate it when other people badmouth our country.
- Yes. - But we badmouth our country all the time.
- Yes. - It's the same for everyone.
I'm sure Americans also feel that way?
I don't think America will make it on this list.
- You think America won't make the list? - No.
- We're worried about where our country is headed, - Yes?
but at the same time, we have a lot of hope.
- Oh... - Wait a minute.
Wait.
The motto of the president was "Make America Great Again".
It's a motto that hasn't lost hope.
- It probably means they believe things will get better. - They're optimistic.
- Switzerland won't probably make the list either, right? - No.
It probably won't.
Actually, I'm certain it won't be on the list.
- What about Canada? - No.
We've been pretty optimistic lately.
What about us? Do you think Korea made the list?
There is a possibility...
After all, we had so many issues lately.
Let's have a look, starting from 10th place.
Top 10. In 10th place...
- Making this top 10 list isn't a good thing. - It's not.
Hungary took 10th place. Turkey took 9th place.
- Poland took 8th place. - Poland?
(Two countries from Eastern Europe already made the list.)
Eastern Europe made the list.
(Pessimism is a growing social problem in these two countries.)
(A Polish homeless man lives in the sewers.)
(A new government took place in Turkey.)
(Due to strong opposition, there is great anxiety among the citizens.)
(The citizens can't help but be pessimistic about their country's future.)
- In 7th place... - In 7th place was Spain.
- Brazil took 6th place. - Really?
- Brazil? - Brazil made the list?
(The citizens have called for the impeachment of President Dilma.)
(Eventually, she was impeached.)
(Crime rates soared during the period of no government.)
Let's start from 5th place.
- In 5th place was France. - As expected.
As expected of Aurélien.
But, France has actually been getting better.
- Getting better? - It's because...
when I last heard the news,
France ranked in 2nd place.
- That's a lot of improvement. - Yes.
What's the area that the French are most pessimistic about?
Terrorism? And also unemployment.
That's really affecting the country...
(All of Paris in 2015)
(Nice in 2016)
(Champs-Elysees in 2017)
(Dear citizens. We have great problems facing us tomorrow.)
(We'll be doing our best to secure France's safety.)
Actually, the French that think issues like terrorism and unemployment...
can be solved doesn't even make...
a third of the population.
This is how they're different from America.
America is always thinking they can fix things even though things are bad right now.
But France is always saying it can't be fixed forever.
- We're ruined. - I don't think terrorism and unemployment can be solved.
There isn't really any sure solution to terrorism.
Because we've been hit with terrorism for the last two years,
we're always on high alert.
But there aren't a lot of people...
who think being on high alert all the time is very effective.
Also, there has been many controversies surrounding Fiche S.
Just because someone has a high probability of being a terrorist,
they mark those people as "S'.
- They mark those people as "S"? - Yes.
But there are so many people who are suspects.
There has been close to 20,000 people who has been marked.
And they're always under surveillance.
Not every one of them are real criminals. But just like "Minority Report"...
You're saying they didn't commit any crimes yet.
- But because there's a possibility, they're put under surveillance? - Yes.
I think that's similar to Japan.
Us too. Japan is considered to be a very safe country.
They're trying to enforce that image. But that is becoming an issue.
They recently made a law where you can arrest people before they commit a crime.
In Japan, that's called "conspiracy crime".
(Conspiracy Crime. If at least two people admit to plotting a crime,)
(everyone involved can be penalized under this law.)
They're making a law where you can arrest them while they're in the planning stages.
- When they find out about their motives? - Yes.
People are nervous that somehow they might be affected by this law.
A lot of citizens are worried.
Recently, in Italy this March,
there were people who were arrest for just planning a terrorist attack.
They were planning to...
do a terrorist attack on the Rialto Bridge in Venice.
An anti terrorism cop arrested them after tapping into their phone conversation.
A lot of citizens felt secure after seeing that.
Because of that, Italians aren't really worried about terrorism.
I think it's good they can stop terrorist attacks when they find clear evidence.
- But the standards... - They could be vague.
Like all the other countries, Germany is also very concerned with terrorism.
After the terrorist attack in Berlin,
they strengthen the anti terrorist system.
There are more people on patrol and more emphasis on control.
But there has been rumors...
saying that there were...
a lot of terrorist attacks being planned under the radar.
- Let's continue on to see who ranked 4th place. - Yes.
In 4th place was South Africa.
- And in 3rd place was Korea. - We're 3rd place?
- Third place? - Third...
It's probably because they conducted this survey in January.
That's when we had a lot of issues.
In January and February, we were in really bad shape.
Yes. I'm sure no one was optimistic about the future of our country back then.
Back then, the whole world might have been pessimistic about our country.
Everyone was worried about us.
(Korea rose up 5 ranks compared to October 2016.)
(The biggest cause of anxiety was political corruption.)
(Korea spent a cold winter, depending on the candlelight.)
What are some of the biggest worries you faced while living in Korea?
What do you think is the biggest problem about our country?
I've been living here for close to 10 years now.
I'm not really someone who worries too much.
I really don't worry about anything much.
- Does that mean you started to in Korea? - No, but I was worried about housing.
- Housing? - There's no rent regulations here...
like they have in Europe.
When you want a house here, you need close to several ten thousands.
But foreigners don't have that kind of money.
There was a time when I wondered if we had to buy a house.
When I looked at the housing cost in Seoul...
(We just laugh.)
It was 600,000 to 700,000 dollars.
You can't help but become worried.
- An average worker can't pay for that. - The costs are ridiculous.
- I had similar worries to Alberto. I was worried about money. - Money?
- Why? - Because the minimum wage is really low here.
Not only is it really low, but it's hard for foreigners to find work here.
In Japan, you can live off the money you make at your part time job.
I had a lot of friends from Japan...
who came to Korea because they loved it so much.
But some had to give up and go back to Japan.
- I felt very bad for them. - Due to minimum wages?
- I'm worried about... - Yes?
- particulates and yellow dust. - That's...
I'm actually very worried about it. It really hurts my throat.
I really love Korea and had plans to marry and have kids here.
But because particulates and yellow dust is so severe here,
- I start to wonder if I can continue living here. - If you can have kids here?
I used to work at a mine in Mexico before.
Back when I used to work there...
I was always surrounded by dust all the time.
I never got rhinitis when I used to work there.
But I got rhinitis within one year of living here.
You got rhinitis here when you didn't get any at the mines?
- What? - Are you sure you're not exaggerating?
No. I'm not.
But it's really that bad.
- I wonder if it'll get any better. - I don't think so.
I actually feel really bad for our children.
I've been living here for 9 years now.
When I talk with my foreigner friends,
the most attractive point about Korea is how safe this country is.
But time to time, we get stressed because of North Korea.
(North Korea is always provoking us with their missiles.)
(The Korean peninsula is always tense.)
We're always worried about what might happen when a war breaks out.
When I first came to Korea, I was also very worried about that.
- Every year, a siren rings for the civil defense drill. - At 2pm.
I guess that would be scary for foreigners.
When I first came here, I thought a war broke out.
But as time passed by, I saw how everyone treated those threats indifferently.
- So I started treating it the same way... - Try to persuade your alumni.
Tell him he shouldn’t do that.
- Last I heard, he wasn't able to be contacted. - I see.
It's actually...
kind of fascinating...
how we developed a safety ignorance while living here.
After I read about the missile, I suddenly go, "Wow, look at her gorgeous photos."
- Yes. - And afterwards, I wonder if it's okay for me to do that.
But we really shouldn't do that. It's actually pretty severe.
- But there's nothing we can do. - There's nothing.
We've been threatened with missiles all our lives.
- So we don't really... - Just...
But more importantly, we've been having more talks...
about war when we've been going out to drink recently.
I think so too.
All right. Let's see who ranked 2nd place. In 2nd place was Italy.
- It was just as we expected. - Around 88 percent of the citizens were pessimistic.
They were very worried about the problem of unemployment.
Is there an unemployment issue there too?
Unemployment? Yes.
But the biggest issue lately...
is about the unemployment rates of the people in their fifties and sixties.
When people in their fifties and sixties suddenly lose their job,
- it's harder for them to get another job again. - Yes.
Because they're old and have pension, it's hard for them to get hired again.
- It's very hard for them. - They also have families to take care of.
Also, recently, there has been a big issue...
about this 47 year-old man.
He was fired from his company.
But he wasn't able to find another job. So to be critical,
he went on eBay to sell his soul for money, saying...
it's a secondhand soul,
- but still in good quality. - Secondhand soul?
That's so sad.
He said that was the only way he could make money now.
What are the unemployment rates for each country? How's France?
It's pretty bad in France.
Especially among people under 25,
- one fourth... - one fourth?
Yes. One fourth of the people are unemployed. It's really bad.
- How about Mexico? - Mexico's unemployment rate...
has been dropping since 2007. It still hasn't been able to recover yet.
Not that long ago, there was a company that produced films.
They were hiring.
But if you look at the conditions, the applicant had to be at least 23 years old.
with at least four years of working experience.
The earliest you can graduate is when you're 23 years old.
How are they supposed to have four years of working experience?
- Instead of going to school, they should have started working at 19. - Exactly.
It's being unrealistic.
But companies have been putting in those kinds of requirements.
Because they're not hiring you even when you have skills,
people are thinking they should look through connections.
That's why lately, people are starting to think of connections as...
- being more important than skills. It's becoming a problem. - That's not good.
Before, unemployment was a big issue in China.
It was so bad that it was expected you become unemployed right after graduation.
But lately, it's been getting a lot better.
For the first quarter of 2017, our unemployment rate...
has only be 3.97 percent.
It hit the lowest percentage in 10 years.
That's why in China, if you want, you can easily find yourself a job.
- Japan's been good too, right? - Yes. We're similar to China.
Before, unemployment rates were very severe. But it became better after Abenomics.
- In the second half of 2016, our unemployment rate was 2.8 percent. - Wow.
It's the lowest we ever had in the last 22 years.
But right now, we're actually having a shortage of workers.
- Really? - Yes. We need a lot more workers.
Are they good jobs?
Are they temporary or part time jobs?
- There are a lot of temporary jobs. - I see.
- The country that takes 1st place. - First place?
- Where will it be? - Defeating Italy,
Mexico took the first place.
Close to 93 percent of Mexican citizen were pessimistic about their country.
Why is that?
In Mexico, nine out of 10 adults...
believe that corruption is really severe in government and police forces.
- They believe it's a big problem. - Government corruptions?
But what's worse than those two issues...
is how people don't report things to the police.
Last year, 98 percent of the people gave up trying to report to the police.
They think it'll be useless to call the police?
They think that even if they call the police, nothing will happen.
Because there's a lot of corruption going on, it's just going to be a waste of time.
- It's just better not to call them. - They're afraid of the police.
- You can't feel safe when your police force is corrupted. - Yes.
But Korea also had a lot of corruptions going on a long time ago. It was really bad.
(Go on and tell it. Thumbs Up.)
But Korea's been getting a lot better, right?
One thing's for sure, things have been becoming a lot more transparent.
Italy also has the issue of back-scratching...
alliances between government and businesses.
It's actually the third biggest issue the Italians face.
Because we had so many political corruptions going on,
people still don't really trust politicians or people in finance very much.
They're still in the process of looking for a way...
to get rid of such political corruptions.
If you're arrested as a member of the mafia,
they're allowed to seize all of your assets.
That's why people these days say...
this same law should apply to the politicians and people in finance as well.
If they're found to be illegally working together, they should have all their assets seized.
- They're in the process of trying to pass that bill. - I wonder if it'll pass.
But if this bill does pass,
- things can really change. - Yes.
This is something different.
If you look at the press freedom index,
France is really low.
- It is? - Yes. Because in France,
nine billionaires...
own nearly 90 percent of the press.
That's why.
Macron became president...
but if you look at his supporters,
you can see the billionaires that own the press are a part of that group.
- I never knew France had such low freedom of press. - Right.
(B-Board Chart, The Pessimism Index of My Country)
- The countries who were outside the top 10 list... - Congratulations.
Germany was in 13th place.
Japan was in 18th place. Canada was in 19th and America was in 20th.
- And China was ranked 25th. - China was 25th?
- That's great. - You must be so proud.
That means China ranked 25th out of 25 countries.
It had the lowest amount of pessimism.
First of all, China has been developing rapidly for the last 30 years.
And second, we never ran into any huge crisis before.
That's why we're very optimistic about our future.
I think America is optimistic for a different reason.
You can think of America as the land of immigrants.
Most people were able to succeed when they started with nothing.
A lot of people still have the American dream.
Although we had our share of crises...
In fact, we had a lot of crises,
- but we were able to overcome it. - But Mark.
- So... - America overcomes its crisis...
by bothering other countries.
You're saying they redirect their frustrations outside?
Yes. That's what we Chinese think.
The reason why America's developing so well...
When there's a problem, you're always suddenly calling for your friends.
That's why there's this saying. "When America coughs,"
"the world catches a cold."
- Yes. - Exactly.
- I agree. - That phrase is used to describe how economies are connected globally.
If we get sick, everyone gets sick.
While we understand where both of you are coming from,
we wish you'd stop bringing our country into this.
(Getting heated up)
In Japan, there are so many people saying China's economy will suddenly explode.
- What? - China's economy...
- is developing so rapidly right now. - Yes?
It's reminiscent of our bubble economy.
- Bubble economy? - Yes. You don't know when it'll burst,
- so if you act like this now, you'll regret it later. - But...
Oogi really got you on that one.
According to this survey, Germany and Japan...
were most worried about rising poverty rates and inequality.
Let's talk about the gap between the rich and poor.
In Germany, one out of six people is living in poverty.
As the country develops more,
it's getting harder for the poor to escape their poverty.
In Germany, they call that the "poverty trap".
I don't think the country has been trying...
very hard to fix the income gap.
They don't even try.
Most people who aren't poor...
aren't even aware of how big the gap is.
In Germany, don't they have those one euro jobs?
- One euro job? - Those are...
(One Euro Job, a social security system for the poor and refugees...)
(where they're paid one euro an hour for working in public service.)
(But it's been controversial how it was considered mandatory for them to receive...)
(other social welfare and how their low pay didn't support their cost of living.)
It can be seen as a violation of human rights.
- Merkel's... - Excluding Northern Europe, the pay gap...
has been getting wider in all other countries. - Yes.
You'd think Switzerland is a good country to live in,
but the widening pay gap has been a big issue there too.
The wealthiest people in Switzerland make up the top 20 percent.
They literally own 86 percent of all Swiss assets.
It's ridiculous, isn't it? And the other 20 percent...
- They can't even afford to feed themselves for a month. - That bad?
- Yes. - Their cost of living was high.
Yes. That's why when people tease me about being a rich Swiss kid,
I think it's funny.
But a lot of Swiss people hate it when they hear something like that.
It's really bad in Japan. The poverty of the younger generation is really bad.
Out of six children, one child...
will be stuck in poverty.
And there's also this thing called "poverty business".
It's a job where you talk to people on the streets.
The job provides housing.
You can sleep there and they also give you food.
But they deduct money from your social welfare account.
Basically, they take away all the money provided to you by the government.
There has been a lot of scams like that. It's been a big issue.
- Poverty businesses? - Yes.
That's so sad.
Although Canada placed 19th, they were very...
- worried about problems relating to taxes. - Yes.
Canadians are very sensitive when it comes to tax evasion.
Not that long ago, there was the "Panama papers" incident.
It showed how some Canadians were evading their taxes.
So they're searching for ways to fix that problem.
We still don't have a solution. But for now, those people under investigations...
are still being prohibited from traveling outside the country.
By implementing this law, people can't flee overseas.
We heard that it is a controversy in Pakistan because politicians don't pay tax.
Yes. In Pakistan the tax problem is a serious problem.
We have around 400 lawmakers in Pakistan.
We found out that 100 or so of those lawmakers...
did not pay one cent in taxes.
Would they rather not pay a single cent?
We found out that they didn't pay a single cent.
The other politicians paid such a small percentage, you could say it's the same.
- They only paid a small amount. - They paid very little in taxes.
The politicians were unwilling to make public how rich they were.
- This worried the people on the direction of the country. - Goodness me.
In our country, it's the opposite.
If a politician evades more than 10 percent in taxes, he'd be sentenced to 3 years.
If it is over 30 percent, the politician could be sentenced to 7 years.
Also in China, you can add sentences to tax evasion.
If you do try it, you could be sentenced to a harsh sentence.
- I think China does hand out sentences well. - Yes.
Yes, they do.
The 20th biggest concern in the US was health care.
After Donald Trump was elected as the President,
the public was concerned that the Affordable Care Act would be repealed.
In truth, from the very start, the health care system had a lot of problems.
Compared to other countries, it was very expensive.
And there were a lot of citizens who did not have health insurance.
To solve this problem,
Barack Obama was the person who passed the Affordable Care Act, right?
(This is the US.)
(This is the wealthiest nation on Earth.)
(No illness or accident should lead to any family's financial ruin.)
As you mentioned before, recently,
Donald Trump has been keen on repealing the Affordable Care Act.
He is trying to pass his own version of health care.
(He has been promising to repeal the Affordable Care Act ever since the campaign.)
(He wanted to replace it with his own health care act.)
I guess he wanted to put his name on the health care.
But the public is concerned...
because if you have pre-existing illnesses,
it is very difficult to get approved for health insurance.
- I see. - But these are the people who need insurance the most, right?
- The Affordable Care Act had solved this problem. - Okay.
- He's trying to take it out. - The new act could take that part out.
A lot of people are worried about that.
This had become a controversy...
- because of a comedian called Jimmy Kimmel. - Okay.
Last week he announced the birth of another child.
The child was born with a heart condition.
(President Trump, last month, proposed a six billion dollar cut...)
(in funding to the national institute of health.)
(If you were born with congenital heart disease, like my son, was...)
(there is a good chance that you'd never be able to get health insurance...)
(because you had a preexisting condition.)
(I saw a lot of parents who were taking care of their sick children.)
(No parent should ever have to decide...)
(if they can afford to save their child's life.)
(This should not happen. This shouldn't be allowed.)
- I was touched by what he said. - He accomplished a big task.
To tell you the truth, Jimmy Kimmel's child and I have a similar problem.
When I saw that video clip, I realized it was thanks to health insurance,
that I am still alive today.
Among the 25 countries that was surveyed,
China was the most optimistic about the future.
The biggest concern and worry for China was the environment.
Our biggest concern is fine dust.
Among teenagers, the biggest concern is air pollution.
In China, fine dust...
we had to shut down the highways, airports...
factory operations as well.
From 2013 to now, if we consider Beijing,
we have spent over 125 billion dollars to decrease the amount of fine dust.
- Was that just for Beijing? - Yes.
Our country is very close to China.
So, we are worried about two things.
The first is radiation. The second is fine dust.
The concerns about this varies in each region as well.
The radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster is the big concern.
Normally, regions that have been affected by radiation are evacuated, right?
But recently, we have stopped doing this.
Does that mean people can go back and live in the area?
Right. They can live there.
By doing this, they can decrease funding.
- This has become an issue. - Gosh.
- This isn't a problem that will disappear overnight. - Right.
(We still don't know if it is safe to live in Fukushima.)
France is quite close to China as well, so we're also worried about fine dust.
- Is France worried about fine dust? - Really?
"France is quite close to China..."
- Last year in Paris, - Yes?
the air was so bad that we could barely see the Eiffel Tower.
Back then, because of the fine dust,
we made public transportation free.
We promoted no driving days under our odd-even traffic control scheme.
That's how we tried to clean the air.
It's called odd-even traffic control.
In the US, due to Donald Trump,
we're worried about the environment as well.
When Barack Obama was the president, we signed the Paris Agreement, right?
Donald Trump is trying to get the US out of the agreement.
The reason he wants to leave...
because he believes that the US needs to leave to grow the economy.
But we had cut back on these job sectors. We cut back on the coal industry.
When Donald Trump was campaigning, he went to communities like that...
and promised to create jobs for the coal industry.
If he does create jobs in this industry, it will be bad for the environment.
This is a worry for us.
We found that the majority of countries are pessimistic, right?
We're more concerned than hopeful about the future, right?
Until the day we're filled with hope rather than despair,
with that hope, shall we begin today?
We will start our official debate today.
(The official Non Summit debate will start now.)
Before we invite the Korean representative in today,
I think we should talk to a person we haven't seen in a while.
We have Samuel Okyere on the show.
(He's the representative of Ghana and original member of Non Summit Meeting.)
- You've changed a lot. - Yes.
- The set looks better, right? - Yes, it does.
- It has already been a year since you left. - Yes, time does fly.
- Right. - Time does fly.
- How have you been? - I've been working very hard.
The Minister of Culture and Tourism in Ghana called me.
He called me directly and asked...
if I'd be willing to be the honorary Ghanaian ambassador to Korea.
- Did you say you'd do it? - Yes, I did.
(He has been appointed the Ghanaian honorary ambassador to Korea.)
Maybe that was the reason, but Sam was on a Ghanaian TV program.
Apparently he said, "I'm a man of influence in Korea."
We have the video clip.
(I do a lot of things in Korea.)
(I do movies, dramas, advertisements and many more.)
Do you shoot movies?
Look at how he's sitting.
(Right now, I'd probably say,)
(I'm one of the top entertainers in Korea.)
(I see...)
(That would make you a trend-setter.)
(That's what I would like to do.)
I learned how to exaggerate from Hyun-moo.
- We would call that fake news today. - Right.
- We wish you the best today. - I'll try my best today.
Okay.
Didn't you say in the past that you wanted to make a school in Ghana?
- We thought you were lying. - Right.
But you really did found a school. It's called 572 school, right?
Yes, 572.
- Right. - That's really cool.
How did this happen?
- As you know, I came on this show and said I'd like to build a house, right? - Yes.
(I would like to found a school.)
- That's cool? - What type of school?
Have you come up with a name?
I would like to call it the 572 school.
(No one had believed that Sam could build a school.)
As soon as I talked about this on TV,
World Vision International called me and suggested we work together.
So, for a year, I received donations through crowd funding.
- Over 5,000 Koreans donated money for this. - Goodness me.
My dream school, which only had existed in my head,
- became a reality. - Goodness me.
Sam continues to do volunteer work.
Since I'm here,
let me tell you, I'm planning to create a second 572 school.
To those of you watching, if you'd like to donate, please do so.
- Okay. We're rooting for you. - That was cool.
(Non Summit Meeting is also rooting for 572 school's success.)
- You're amazing. - Yes, you are.
- We should now introduce the Korean representative. - Yes.
She became a freelancer before Hyun-moo.
She is a hardworking news presenter who was the first to leave for freedom.
- Currently she is a travel guide author. It's Sohn Mi-Na. - Yes.
(The 149th Korean representative for Non Summit Meeting.)
- Welcome. - Welcome.
(Sohn Mi-Na, Korean, Travel guide author)
Hello. It's nice to meet you all.
(Find a new life through travel.)
(The icon of challenging yourself, Travel-guide-author Sohn Mi-Na)
Could you introduce yourself?
Hello. My name is Sohn Mi-Na.
I was a news presenter for a long time at KBS.
My work now revolves around myself traveling and writing.
I'm also an editor for Huffingtonpost Korea.
I also manage the School of Life in Seoul.
- You really are doing a lot. - How long have you known Hyun-moo?
- I had just come back from studying in Spain. - Yes?
They told me that a very unique new employee had been hired.
They said he had already greeted me. But I didn't remember it.
As I remember it, I felt like Mi-Na...
was already preparing to leave the company.
- Was it that noticeable? - I remember greeting her as a new employee.
She said okay and it felt like she was too busy with her own things to notice me.
- I felt I received your influence of becoming a freelancer from you. - Is that so?
- She was one of the first people to try freelancing, right? - Yes.
There were people who did become freelancers before me.
The way I left was unique.
I wasn't leaving to work on TV.
I had left to write a book.
- Everyone knows that you became a travel guide writer after you left. - Yes.
Which countries did you visit?
Among the countries represented here,
I've been everywhere except Pakistan and Ghana.
I've been to all the other countries represented here.
- Really? - What was the country that left the biggest impression.
- I did have one interesting episode. - Okay.
When I go travel, it seems that everywhere I go people spill water.
This was an incident that happened in Paris.
It's not true that all French people are rude.
There was a person in Paris who...
(Nervous)
When you go to Paris as a tourist,
- people there can be a little rude. - Yes.
I was working on my laptop.
The owner was making coffee and accidentally spilled water at me.
It would have been shocking, right? The owner looked at me...
and asked if I was fine. Then, he went his way.
He said that it wasn't his fault.
It really burned me up with how he treated me.
I didn't think this was right, so I argued with him.
He said to me,
"I never told you to sit in that seat."
- "Isn't that your fault?" - That makes my blood boil.
- That's too much. - Well, I mean...
- I said, - He has no manners.
Did you say he has no manners?
(He's being honest.)
Since he said that, I have nothing further to add.
- After France, I visited Spain. - How do they react in Spain?
I went to Spain around December.
The old man, who was the waiter, spilled water at me and...
said, "Feliz Navidad". He left after that.
- He told you Merry Christmas. - Yes, he said that to me.
I couldn't smile or get angry at him.
It was a strange situation for me.
As soon as I left the restaurant,
- he followed me out... - Okay.
and carried out a plate that they sell as a souvenir at the restaurant.
He gave that to me and said...
- "I'm sorry about earlier." - That was nice of him.
I could feel the warmth from that.
- He spilled water... - Right.
- It's "Far-away nations, Neighboring nations". - In Japan, they would've apologized
- I'm sorry. - I'm sorry.
(I'm sorry.)
"Where is the dryer?"
Am I right?
- What about in Italy? - I did go to Italy.
- I was eating in a restaurant in Rome. - Okay.
The waiter spilled the water.
Don't they do it on purpose in Italy?
That's what happened.
While the waiter was looking at me with a flustered expression,
- a very good-looking manager... - Yes?
came towards me and said,
"This is terrible, but please be understanding about what happened."
I asked him what I needed to be understanding about?
He said that the waiter was in love these days...
and he couldn't tell the difference between salt and pepper.
- He spills wine and water. - Goodness me.
In Italy, they solve everything through love.
- That was the mood. - The worst was France.
(In the end, France was the worst.)
Why did you go to countries like that?
You should've come to Pakistan.
She went through this overseas.
- Right. - Are the people in your country kind?
We are a kind people.
They will treat you really well.
- I see. - You should come to Ghana instead.
(Please come and visit.)
Like Sohn Mi-Na here,
I'm sure that there are famous people in your country...
who traveled to find themselves too, right?
In Switzerland, we had a TV reporter...
who suddenly decided to travel for a year.
She traveled around the world and visited 12 cities.
She went on 50 dates.
- Was that her objective? - Yes.
- That's fascinating. - Goodness me.
That's a good experience.
Yes, she traveled around the globe and went on dates.
She said that US and Israeli men were the most aggressive.
On the other hand, she said men from Hamburg in Germany were the most shy.
- Nik, aren't you from Hamburg? - Right.
- He's a shy man. - You really are shy.
- Me? - Aren't you shy?
Do you approach women first?
I don't talk to them first.
- "I don't talk to them first." - That's true.
- He said it in a shy way, too. - Maybe everyone in the neighborhood is like that.
Back in 2015,
a psychologist teacher working at school quit...
and wrote this in her resignation letter.
She wrote, "The world is vast, and I want to see it."
The school actually let her do this.
This story went viral online.
In China, this has become the most heartwarming resignation letter.
- Also, - That's true. It is heartwarming.
- Yes. - She handed it in.
Her superior opened it,
- "The world is vast, and I want to see it." - He probably thought, "Me too."
Then he takes it to the CEO and hands the same letter to him.
- "I quit." - Right.
This phrase became the most popular phrase in 2015.
When students don't want to go and study at school,
they say, "The world is vast, and I want to see it."
China is vast as well.
- They want to go somewhere even bigger. - Right.
- Let's see what the issue is. What is Sohn Mi-na's issue? - Yes.
As I told you before, I traveled a lot as well.
I started to become curious about this.
"I believe that adults need teachers too, am I abnormal?"
- Gosh. - That's nice.
Why do you think adults need teachers?
I studied, worked as a news presenter for 10 years and was a travel guide author.
Even though I had experienced and learned a lot,
in truth, I found it difficult to solve fundamental problems with people.
For example, you have conflicts and fights with colleagues and family members...
- every day, right? It doesn't matter how close you are. - Right.
I felt like we needed to understand this a little better.
For me, when a person graduates from school,
and the person needs to live their own life,
- I believe that's when they need a teacher. - Right.
Could you tell us a little about the work you're doing these days?
Yes. In English, we call this, "The School of Life".
This school was first established in London back in 2008.
Alain de Botton was a person who had studied mathematics at a prestigious school.
He is a well-read person. He is a highly educated person.
But as soon as he started to try and live his life,
- he realized that he knew nothing. - That's right.
He wanted to know how we could use the knowledge in our brains...
We needed to use this to conquer our daily lives.
He wanted to find a way to help people live a happier life.
That's what he used as his target goal,
and he created a school for adults.
- There's a very famous YouTube channel called "The School of Life". - Yes.
- Did he make that? I watched that a lot. - Yes, he did create that channel.
- I see. - I think I watched 30 to 40 of those videos.
They opened a School of Life in Korea.
(Then, what about Alain de Botton?)
(In just a moment)
(A surprise guest appears on Non Summit Meeting)
(It's a video call with Alain de Botton.)
(The Non Summit Members discuss what happiness is with Alain de Botton.)
(Do you feel that the Korean people are a a happy people.)
(It's an honest dialogue with Alain de Botton. Don't change the channel.)
Our issue today is, "I believe that adults need teachers too, am I abnormal?"
Let's start our official discussion on this.
(Official discussion)
I think we're going to be talking about lifelong education.
Even in our country, we have various cultural centers.
There seems to be a lot of educational centers opening up.
This seems to be an issue that appears on TV a lot, too.
Let's hear about what adults in other countries are learning.
In Germany, we have a school called, "Volkshochschule".
In this school, they teach willing adults, politics, economics, culture, and so on.
They're teaching adults how to be responsible members of society.
That's why in Germany, adults participate in politics and the environment.
They educate the people on consumerism really well.
I think that's one good things.
A lot of immigrants are coming into the country as well.
They want to educate immigrants...
on German language, politics and society.
- It is way to help them assimilate into German society. - Is it free?
It's free for immigrants.
I saw a video of this before.
Angela Merkel was holding an Afghan child.
There was a video clip showing a child going to people asking for a hug.
It was very heart-warming.
(Angela Merkel attended a Christian Democrat meeting.)
(I have something to say.)
(I would like to say thank you to Chancellor Merkel.)
(I'd like to thank you, too.)
(I'm really happy right now.)
(May I hold your hand, Ma'am?)
(Of course!)
(The young child was crying tears of gratitude.)
I believe that this is a educational system we need in our country, too.
- We have a lot of foreigners coming to Korea. - Right.
- There's over 2 million foreigners in Korea. - It's a vast number.
In each city in Italy,
we have a school too. Roughly translated it means, "University of the Third Age".
It's a university for adults over the age of 60.
It's free. And all the lecturers are experts or university lecturers.
They are volunteering their time and knowledge.
My grandmother also attends the school.
- She really likes it. - Of course she would.
Most of the older generations did not get a primary school education.
It was because of the war. So, they go to the school and learn history and so on.
There's a variety of different courses. You can learn economics too.
They also go on trips, too.
- In the summer, they take a boat. -That sounds fun.
- They really like it. - Goodness.
In France, a famous philosopher called Michel Onfray.
He was disappointed after finding out the results for the 2002 elections.
He was disappointed with the fact that Jean-Marie Le Pen made it to the final.
He saw that and thought that the French people...
were not as knowledgeable.
So, after that, twice every week,
he is giving free lectures on philosophy.
Did he make that decision after seeing Le Pen make it to the final round?
He thought the French citizens lacked philosophical education?
- So he started to lecture them? - Yes.
Does he teach it in a fun way?
- France is a country that puts a lot of focus on philosophy. - Right.
However, they still look to study it.
Don't you have a discussion culture called "Cafe Philo"?
- Yes, we do. - Every Sunday, people gather together.
- It's like a discussion cafe. - Yes, local people gather together and discuss ideas.
- That's nice. - Yes, it is really interesting.
- They discuss societal issues. - I see.
From children to the elderly,
they gather together, without prejudicial barriers,
and they discuss ideas over coffee.
What I found interesting as a Korean was...
the idea that people gather together to discuss things on Sunday.
- It's not even football. - Right.
Also, the other thing was...
the debates get so heated, that I feel like they'll never talk to each other again.
That's how passionate the discussions get.
Later on they agree that they both have differing opinions.
- They leave the cafe shoulder-to-shoulder. - Is that so?
This is something that I'm really jealous about.
- It's like this. A smaller Non Summit Meeting. - Yes.
Since around 10 years ago, MOOC has become very popular in the US.
It stands for "Massive Open Online Course".
It's an online course where adults can...
learn from home.
Things like Khan Academy...
and TED Talks can be seen as a form of MOOC too.
Most American colleges...
have something called community auditing programs.
It's made, not for the students, but for the people living nearby.
They're allowed to take the same classes.
They only need to pay 100 dollars for those programs.
In our school, you always saw them mixed into our classes.
There would always be one or two elderly students. We actually loved it...
because we were able to hear and also learn...
from what they had to say in class.
Were there any memorable students who came to the School of Life?
There were a lot of memorable people.
But once, during a class on finding the job that made your heart beat,
there was a male student who worked at a big company.
As he listened to the lecture, someone sitting nearby gave him his opinion.
"After hearing what you had to say in class today,"
"you don't look like you belong in a company."
"You look like you'd do well running a cottage rental service."
- He was taking the same class as him? - Yes.
That man said, "What you just said rings true for me."
- It got his heart beating. - Yes, it did.
- And? - Some time later, he really did open up a cottage rental business.
- Wow. - Really?
- We should go. - This will also get parents' hearts to beat in a way.
(This will get parents' hearts to beat.)
"Don't send you child there."
"Who's the teacher?"
(Who's the teacher?)
- You must be proud. - That's heartwarming.
Yes. I feel there's value in this.
- We'll definitely go. - Yes, please come.
As the way of life changes, there has been a need for more variety in knowledge.
Let's hear about the unusual fields, lectures, or instructors from each country.
In Japan, there's an impression instructor named Shigeta Miyuki.
She's someone who professionally teaches you how to make a good impression.
One of her most popular class is...
- a class on how to date better through good first impressions. - Impressions?
For example, let's say you want to talk about something.
- Normally, you'd point like this. - Yes.
But you do it like this instead.
I see. Instead of, "Se-Yoon, look over there!", it's "Se-Yoon, look."
- This is so... - That's just common sense.
- "Hey, what's that?" - "Oh, the smell..."
(Wrong way to do it = Expose your armpits)
- I'm worried about your future. - How about this?
(Wrong way to do it = Excessive skinship)
But, like you said,
the people that are getting popular in Italy...
are professionals who specialize in nonverbal communications.
Nonverbal communications?
They normally do a lot of these training in companies.
They first started teaching these classes to a group of businessmen...
and saw really good results.
When you speak like this, it's like there's a distance between you two.
But if you do this, you look more confident.
It's different. That little thing can make a big difference.
There's a YouTube star called Jia Jiang.
He was originally from Beijing.
He wanted to study abroad in America,
but his visa application was rejected.
And when he applied for jobs, he was also rejected several times.
He started to develop a fear of being rejected.
That's why he decided to make a project out of this.
He made up a project where he would be rejected 100 times.
For example, on the first day, he went to ask a stranger to lend him 100 dollar.
It's obvious he would get rejected.
Or he would go to a hamburger restaurant...
and ask for a hamburger refill.
Hamburger refill?
It was obvious he would be rejected.
- But when he did this every... - They might have given it to him out of pity.
Then, that's a failure.
Was he able to get 100 rejections?
(Jia Jiang's Attempts To Get Rejected)
(Trying to stay for free at a hotel on Christmas Eve)
(Do you think I can get a room for free tonight?)
(For free? I don't think so.)
(Trying to get a hair cut at a pet salon)
(How much would it cost to trim my hair?)
(We don't do that.)
(Asking a stranger to go eat with him)
(Do you want to have dinner with us?)
(I can't.)
(Just have dinner with my wife and I.)
(I can't. I have some place to be.)
When he uploaded all that, he became viral.
Nowadays, he's invited to a lot of countries...
- as a rejection specialist... - The icon of rejection.
Yes. He's doing a lot of lectures as a rejection specialist.
- A professional reject. - He must have a high level of confidence.
There's this guy I know who's a doctor.
Whenever he speaks to women...
When he ask women to go drink tea with him, they say no.
And when they do that,
he moves on to the next...
(He tries a second time without giving himself time to feel hurt.)
Sometimes, I feel like he has no emotions at all.
He doesn't get hurt. He keeps going.
That's what you do when you go to Haeundae at summer.
(Keep asking until someone says yes.)
- At Haeundae. - Yes.
These kinds of things might not only help your love life...
but also help you find jobs too.
You keep trying and trying...
- It helps strengthen your mentality. - Yes.
And you get a lot more opportunities.
In Germany, there were yoga instructors who were beer maniacs.
This is what they thought.
The purpose of doing yoga was to relax yourselves.
Why do we drink beer?
To relax yourselves. That's why they combined the two.
For each yoga pose, they would take one gulp.
- They would drink two bottles in one hour. - What?
When you get to the highest level, you'd be able to hold the bottle with your feet.
- Yes. - You can use your foot.
But it was actually really successful.
- It spread across to America, Australia... - Really?
Even Thailand. It's getting really popular.
- But after your yoga session, you must feel really great. - Yes.
You probably feel a little tipsy...
Because you relax and drink together,
it creates a very nice atmosphere between the students.
I feel like they'll go for another round of drinks after the session.
(They'll go for another round of drinks.)
- "It's so nice." - "Now that we finished our class, where should we go?"
"Let's go to flying yoga next."
"No, there's this really good hot yoga place."
"No, let's go to the pole dance class."
But you probably won't lose any weight because you're drinking so much beer.
This is something different,
but someone I know saw this at a bus stop.
He saw a man smoking a cigarette...
while doing squats.
Is that really true?
Yes.
- "What is that?" - He probably felt guilty.
That was pretty funny.
In Japan, housewives...
learn a lot of things from the internet.
But a lot of people...
learn how to make character boxed lunches.
- Character boxed lunch? - Like Pikachu?
- I get it. - They're so cute.
If you give that to a child, they'll eat the food they hate.
- That's why that's really popular amongst the mothers. - He's acting so shy.
Look at its hands.
- The mother probably has to wake up around 5am to make that. - It is a lot of work.
It might be stressful for the mothers.
That's the fruit of stress.
The mothers make that and show it off through social media.
You don't always have to go to school. You can also learn about life from books too.
As we face an unstable economy, self development books have been getting popular.
Let's see what everyone thinks.
Let's vote on whether you think self development books are helpful or not.
Raise your hand if you think they're helpful.
(Helpful 7, Not Helpful 5)
As expected, Aurélien didn't raise his hand.
Although self development books might be helpful for some people,
I personally don't think it'll be helpful to me.
It's because I don't even want to read those types of books.
Me too.
I'm afraid they'll make me cringe.
- Cringe? - They might be really...
They're just not my style.
There's also another reason.
I don't really go around telling my friends about how...
- I think they should live their lives. I don't. - You don't?
That's why I don't want to hear it.
But it could like this.
I lived this way and it helped me.
- A person can only do so much... - That's why it might work for others but...
I believe there's always something to learn from others.
For example, people sleep everyday.
I can sleep better than anyone.
But there's always something new to learn when I read a book about how to sleep.
Even if I sleep really well.
But there's still...
so much to learn. I can learn from Niklas. I can learn from others.
You still have more to learn about the art of sleeping, Tristan?
- Yes. I do. - That's so hard.
- There's no end to sleep. - No, there isn't.
- For me, - Yes?
I'm actually a king at self developing myself.
- A king at self development? - Yes.
King at self development?
- I think you're mixing in a lot of Korean slangs... - King at self development.
That doesn't sound very good.
- Self development. - Self development?
But more importantly, the reason why I read those books...
is because I love how you can acquire those information for such a cheap price.
They're like a treasure trove of knowledge.
It tells you information about how this person failed doing this in the past.
It tells you what they were successful at. It tells you everything.
- With just 10 dollars, - Yes?
you can have access to all that information.
- I also think it's helpful. - Yes?
People who write self help books...
don't write those books to...
brag about how successful they are.
Those people...
are writing those books to teach...
people how to live better lives.
But if you don't experience those things yourselves first...
If you were able to fix your life by reading a book, we'd all be rich right now.
- But... - Your expression was something else when you said that.
This is pretty obvious. It's something we all know since we were kids.
They said you'd become great if you studied hard.
- So why didn't you study hard? - Life just happened...
All those books only restate the obvious. They're cringe-worthy.
You're right about them being cringe-worthy.
They might touch you, but once you close the book, you forget about it.
Have you read any of those books before?
I did. I took self development classes back when I was in school.
When I took that class, I was very moved.
- I thought I should tell my parents that I loved them more. - It changed you?
But after a week, I would tell my mother to hurry up and hang up.
- Isn't that your fault? - People are prone to...
(Criticism starts flowing in.)
- That's your fault. - What I'm saying is that unless you experience it yourself,
reading a book and thinking "I should do this from now on"...
If that worked, the human race would have already been developed well.
- But... - I tend to think differently from what he has to say.
Usually, when we study in school,
- we study to get good grades on tests. - Yes?
But in school,
they don't teach us how to live life...
more efficiently. They don't have that kind of system.
In my opinion, when you read those books,
I believe they can provide you with helpful tips...
on how to live your life better.
- Things they don't teach you in school? - Yes.
Self development can be seen as an opportunity.
They just provide you with a chance to change yourself.
- But Xinlin seems to think that... - It has to make him rich.
He seems to think it has to make him rich.
Although self help books aren't completely useless,
- I think there are other better ways to better yourself. - Like what?
I think having a mentor is a lot more efficient.
Someone who's a lot older than me...
Someone with a lot more life experience.
That person might know me.
They might know about my specialty or criteria for success.
They'll see how different I am from others.
They can customize their programs for you?
Those mentors can think of my specialties...
and give me advices that are more suited for someone like me.
The book can also be a mentor.
But a book doesn't know me. That writer doesn't know who I am.
- It can't help you. - It's just a book.
For example, when you say "Get up early"...
to a taxi driver that works night shift,
it's not very helpful.
- That's what I think he's trying to say. - I also think similarly.
I also don't think they're helpful because there's this thing I always say.
"You can learn more..."
"from a person rather than a book."
A book is written by one person.
I believe that meeting various different people and talking to them...
is a lot more efficient at learning things than reading a book.
From what I see, I feel like we're too focused on the concept of learning.
We don't necessarily have to learn anything.
Those successful writers could probably wrote those books when they weren't rich.
If they were born rich, they wouldn't even need to write a book.
That's so annoying.
They might help you get motivated.
If that person can do it, I can do it too.
It can become a source of motivation for you.
- If you focus too much on the learning aspect... - You shouldn't try to learn?
- You shouldn't think of it as having a surefire way to become rich. - Also,
if you're leading a satisfactory life like Sam,
you can read up about various other ideas and contact them.
Xinlin is disappointed because he's trying to...
change his life around with that one book?
Yes. He can't help but get disappointed.
He's thinking that he can become rich like the founder of Alibaba.
- But... - Yes.
Who is the "self" in self help books for?
- He's right. We're the ones who know ourselves the best. - It's the writer's.
It's not a book written to help us.
In my opinion, because people are different anyways,
there's nothing you can learn from a book.
In Italy, no one buys any self help books.
But when we're in high school,
we tend to learn a lot about philosophy.
We also have classes on religion on top of that.
- The topics in self help books are very obvious. - I bet.
- Yes. - You already learned it in class.
But when I came to Korea,
it was the first time I had a chance to look through those kinds of books.
- When you look through it, it does help you a little bit. - It does?
The contents are very obvious but...
- It helps you remember things? - Yes. It helps you feel motivated.
In my opinion, I believe that a good...
self help book can exist.
But it's very hard to find them.
Just like everyone said, the reason for that is...
everyone is different, with a different criteria for success.
Most books have such narrow standards that fit only certain types of people.
But in my opinion, a really good self help book...
is something like this.
It's a book that helps you understand yourself better.
It helps you understand your criteria and helps you decide what to do.
It's sort of like a guide book that acts as a lighthouse for you.
Do you think travel books are very helpful?
I tend to think of travel books as a form of self help books too.
- It's because she also writes books about traveling. - Yes.
Most of what I write about are...
- Does it help me understand who I am? - Yes, precisely.
(Does it help me understand who I am?)
There's no better way than traveling to learn more about yourself.
- I tend to think of traveling as a form of education too. - Education?
There was a phrase I learned while studying Chinese.
"Instead of reading 10,000 books,"
"it's better to walk 10,000 miles."
Yes, that's true.
- That's really true. - But, Alberto. That's an outdated proverb.
(That's an outdated proverb.)
- After saying that in Chinese for us... - You're so...
- Xinlin, you... - Wait.
(Even though he translated it, he's getting criticized.)
Wait, this is what I think.
As books have been going digital these days,
you probably already read more than 10,000 books by now.
You can get access to a lot more books.
Either way, I think that proverb is true.
Yes. Besides, even if you can't go yourself,
you can experience it indirectly through other's writings.
Lately, there have been some proverbs or advice that haven't been relevant...
to the present, therefore garnering a lot of criticism for it.
In China, the most famous self help book...
is called "Chicken Soup for the Soul".
Like its title, it's comfort food for your soul.
But people are starting to realize...
that it only has pretty words. It's completely useless.
So people have been slowly changing its name and calling that book...
"Poison Soup for the Soul".
It's poisonous for your soul.
I found a really funny verse in it.
You know how Bill Gates still got rich even though he dropped out of school?
But the school Bill Gates dropped out of was Harvard.
(The brightest university dropout)
So it's something like this?
It just means he was made for success anyways?
Another one said you should endure a lot of hardships when you're young.
That's how you get used to it later on.
(That's how you get used to it later on.)
- That's so... - That was...
Basically, it's saying it'll help dull your senses?
You get so used to it that...
- That's pretty good. - Next,
it said, "Not having a lot of money when you're young isn't a problem."
"You'll never make much anyways."
(Self torture)
(Although we're smiling, it's so sad...)
- It's telling you to give up hope? - Yes.
- Those are pretty funny. - These kind of critical...
There was a photo that went viral in Japan.
It was a picture that had self help books categorized according to age group.
There was "People Who Challenge Themselves In Their Twenties Will Succeed".
And there was "Being Determined When You're In Your Thirties Decide Your Life".
It was the same for forties and fifties.
(Having Fun Working And Playing In Your Forties, etc.)
- They're all the same. - They are.
(The problem lies in how they were all put together in one place.)
(Just when should we start doing it?)
If they really wanted to sell it, they shouldn't have put them all together.
They should have separated them.
Each writer has different opinions,
so they probably all wrote it for a different age group,
- but because they were all in one place, it didn't make sense. - It's funny.
If you go to the self help section,
books with opposing ideas are placed side by side.
(Something like this?)
(Night Person. Morning Person)
(Laughing)
Trump also wrote a book a long time ago.
- He did? - He wrote a book called "The Art Of The Deal".
When it first came out, it was very popular and sold a lot of copies.
But now that he's become president, a lot of people are making fun of this book.
- He was talking about building a wall... - He's really bad at making deals.
And he's supposed to be careful about negotiating healthcare and insurance...
But because he's not doing so well, people are looking at that book...
and teasing him for being a horrible deal maker.
He should read his own book again.
There are rumors that this book was written by a ghostwriter.
- That he didn't write... - It's not just a rumor. He did use a ghostwriter...
The person who wrote his book for him...
has been in a lot of interviews and been criticizing Trump a lot.
(Trump's speech during 2015.)
(We need a leader that wrote "The Art Of The Deal".)
(Me? I don't want to be president.)
(I wrote every word of that book.)
(I believe he read it.)
(If he were to win the election,)
(I would take it seriously enough to move out of the United States.)
(So it was true!)
Are there any sayings you would like to change?
Well, there is a Korean proverb...
saying "You should only dig deep in one well".
That really doesn't suit the present. Things have changed so much these days.
I tend to always say this to my students.
"Dig a lot of wells without going too deep."
"There's no reason to dig deep in only one well." That's what I say.
Right now, just like Leonardo DaVinci during the Renaissance,
it's better to use all the various talents you have...
in this period of time.
Oh? We got a phone call.
This was one of the first founders of The School of Life.
Alain de Botton. There are a lot of Koreans who like him.
(Korea's most beloved writer, Alain de Botton)
We got a Skype call.
Let's pick up his call.
- Hello. - Hello.
(We're pleased to meet you.)
Hi, Alain. Thanks for joining us today.
- I know it's very early there. - My pleasure.
- Thank you so much. - Always a pleasure.
He's someone a lot of Koreans really like.
Why do you think the Koreans like your book so much?
You know, I often wondered about this question.
I know my name in Korea...
sounds unusual. I'm "Mr. Ordinary".
And this is probably what makes them...
feel a connection with "Mr. Ordinary".
Botton does sound like...
ordinary. Mr. Ordinary.
Let's ask what his reasons were for establishing The School of Life.
Well, you know, we are so good nowadays...
at teaching technical skills.
We can teach people to fly planes,
to be a doctor, to be accountants...
(What we're not good at teaching...)
(is all the things...)
(that actually make a happy and good life.)
(You know, many of us are clever but unhappy.)
(The School of Life started to look at this problem.)
("This is the mission of the School of Life.")
(I have a question. We had a discussion about happiness and success.)
(Some countries think that success is happiness.)
(In some countries think happiness is success. What do you think?)
(That's a very good point.)
(The word success is a very badly defined word.)
(When we say someone is successful)
(We always imagine someone who is rich,)
(famous, well-known and someone with high status.)
(However, it doesn't just mean high status.)
(It just means doing something well.)
(So, you can be successful at being peaceful.)
That's a very good point.
(Being good at being a partner, dad, mom, having fun can be called a success.)
(All of us in our lives will be successful in one area.)
(We'll be unsuccessful in some other areas.)
(No one is successful at everything they do.)
(You'll live a good life when you make the wise decisions for you.)
(Thank you. That was a detailed answer.)
(Is School of Life free to attend?)
(That question was out of the blue.)
(Stammering)
(No one here is against capitalism.)
What was your impression of Korea when you visited here?
(I've been to Korea six times.)
(The thing that I loved about the Koreans I met...)
(is that after a little bit of shyness,)
(They were incredibly open and honest.)
(Because of their difficult history and politics, people are ready...)
(to discuss their vulnerability, their hopes and fears.)
(It was just so human and interesting.)
(Did you feel the Korean people were a happy people?)
(No, I didn't.)
(They're reminded of being third in the pessimistic index.)
(I don't think that is a problem. No one is that happy.)
(But what I loved about the people were that they know this fact.)
(And they know that they need to work to improve this.)
(Unlike people from the US.)
(I apologize if there is any US citizens in the room.)
(It was an insightful punch from Alain de Botton.)
- They think they're happy but they're not. - That's true.
(Koreans don't think they're happy.)
(That is a very good starting point.)
(Koreans have a wonderful melancholy.)
(They know how to be sad.)
(This might sound strange.)
(If you know how to be sad, it's the first step to learning to be satisfied.)
- Do you have any plans to come to Korea any time soon? - Please come on the show.
- Please come on the show. - You are our guest.
(I'd love to. I loved on being on "JTBC News Room".)
(Absolutely.)
- That's a promise. - That's binding.
(Alain de Botton has agreed to come on the show.)
Thank you for the interview. I hope to see you soon.
(Thank you very much.)
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- Thank you. - See you.
- Good-bye. - He's very positive.
We don't have a UK representative. It'd be great if we could do it with him.
- I see. You want him as a representative. - Yes.
(Alain, we encourage your pursuit of three jobs.)
Okay, we just discussed the topic with Alain de Botton.
All right. It's easy to meet a teacher who teaches you academic subjects.
However as the saying goes, it's difficult to find someone to teach you life.
Let's find out who the teacher of citizens are in each country.
In Germany, we had someone called Friedrich Fröbel.
During the 1840s,
he was the first to create a kindergarten.
In a lot of countries they use the word kindergarten to for daycare, right?
- Yes. - It is a German word.
It roughly translates to mean, "A garden for children".
Children need a place to learn something outside of numbers and letters.
He thought children needed to play in nature as well.
Not only that, he championed and furthered education for women.
- He worked hard on behalf of women. - He wanted to educated women.
The most famous person in Ghana is...
Dr. James Kwegyir Aggrey.
He was born in Ghana and moved to the US.
He worked to educate people on racism and gender equality.
He worked his whole life for these efforts.
One of the things he said was,
"If you teach a man, you're teaching one person."
"However if you teach a woman, you're teaching a generation."
He left us with this memorable quote.
- He also founded a prestigious high school. - Okay.
The high school is called Achimota School.
He wanted to get rid of discrimination, so the school's logo is a "Piano".
If you look closely, you'll notice both black and white in the logo.
When you play it, you hear a harmonious sound, right?
In that kind of way, he wanted to get rid of the focus on skin color.
- He wanted to create a harmonious world. - A piano is a great logo.
- Yes. - Exactly.
The Italian people's teacher is Maria Montessori.
You mentioned her before.
(She was a educator who focused on the development of young children.)
Since I mentioned her last time, I'll talk about someone else.
- Okay. - I'll tell you about someone else.
Everyone here knows the opera tenor, Luciano Pavarotti, right?
(A performance of "Nessun Dorma")
(Exceptional vocal cords and high-notes)
(He was considered to have the best heavenly voice in the 20th century.)
(Pavaotti was one of the best tenors of all time.)
He earned a lot of money.
So, there was no reason for him to teach, right?
But he continued to teach his students.
According to his students,
even though he was receiving treatment for cancer, he taught them every day.
That's why in Italian, we refer to him as Maestro.
That means teacher in Italian.
We heard that he was an incredible teacher.
In the past, Justin Trudeau was actually a teacher.
Are you talking about Justin Trudeau again?
I have to talk about him at least once a week.
- We were waiting. - It's another story about Justin Trudeau.
(It's another story about Justin Trudeau.)
It's another story about him.
He was a French and math teacher.
He was also a drama teacher in a high school, too.
He is now prime minister, right? He said this on Teachers' Day.
"I am so exceptionally proud of having been a teacher."
(I am so exceptionally proud of having been a teacher.)
(Regardless of what other job titles I may hold throughout the rest of my life,)
(I will always, be first and foremost, a teacher.)
I will always, be first and foremost, a teacher.
Who was your most memorable teacher in your life, Mi-Na?
We know that you are currently a teacher.
In my life,
- Yes? - I would say it's my father who was always an educator.
My father was...
I believe the reason that I think a little differently from everyone else...
and can do it is because of my father.
When I was in my third year of high school,
like the old saying, "You need to rest when you're busy,"
my dad told me to rest when I was in my last year.
In my last year of high school, I went on a trip for a month with my dad.
- That's impressive. - That's incredibly shocking.
That's incredible.
(His approach to raising his daughter was different from everyone else.)
When I came back, I felt energized and focused.
I actually could focus and study well during the remaining three months.
It was exciting.
- Is that how you got into Korea University? - Yes, I got it straight away.
This might lead to people taking this the wrong way.
"If you want to get into Korea University, have fun in the vacation period."
Students might actually just play and not study.
My dad was born in 1938, so he's incredibly old now, right?
However, my younger brother...
got married with a French woman.
He married a French woman. He was worried that his dad might not accept this.
However my dad beamed...
and said, "I spent so much money to send you abroad,"
"so how could you have so much nonsensical worries in your head?"
"It doesn't matter what eye and skin color a person has."
"It's what is inside a person that matters the most."
- What is your fathers name? - I mean...
His name is Son Hong-ryeol.
Is he still working at the university?
Sadly no, he passed away a few years ago.
Even to the end, he worked to try and get rid of corruption in our country.
He worked incredibly hard to make the country better.
(Automatically respecting)
All right. We talked about Sohn Mi-na's issue.
"I believe that adults need teachers too, am I abnormal?"
The French Philosopher and Educator Rousseau said this,
("If you have the desire to learn the world will be your teacher.")
"If you have the desire to learn the world will be your teacher."
- That's hard. - The world is your teacher.
How did you find today?
Firstly, I really did want to meet the Non Summit Meeting members.
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe once said this,
"The greatest thing in this world is not so much..."
"where we stand as in what direction we are moving."
With that in mind, I believe everyone needs a teacher in life.
I also realized that I'm not abnormal.
Thank you for the enlightening and enjoyable discussion.
- Thank you very much. - Thank you.
(To the wonderful Traveler Mi-Na, we will continue to root for you.)
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
It actually feels embarrassing to say this, after what she said.
Until the day we all become normal.
It actually feels embarrassing to say this, after what she said.
No, don't do it.
(Laughing)
- You're only meant to sing this. - Why are you adding vibrations?
(It's a vibrations filled with years of knowledge.)
(He's a master at singing like this.)
Why are you singing that?
(We'll end it on a low and terrible note.)
We will now adjourn.
(This is the satisfactory level of students across the world.)
(Our country will probably have a low score.)
(I was satisfied when I was a student.)
(He's confident that Canadian students will be the happiest.)
(Happiness is success.)
(They start to counter this argument.)
(Until university, education is free.)
(The rivals for happiest students in the world rises.)
(Locally sourced organic food.)
(We feed our students organic beef.)
(Canadian students are happier than US students.)
(US verse Canada. Who will win this North American battle?)
(Which country has the happiest students in the world?)
(The 150th Korean representative is Actor Yoon Bak.)
(I want to be reborn as an animal, am I abnormal?)
(Mumbling)
(I don't think you have freedom.)
(You can't set goals.)
(You're happy because you don't have goals.)
(You just eat, sleep and play games.)
(Guillaume already lives like that.)
(People can live like that, too.)
(When you turn 13, you have to kill a lion.)
(They hear a first-hand account of life in the wild from the Kenyan representative.)
(In China, there isn't a lot of food.)
(The animal bit the owner until the floor turned into a sea of blood.)
(Gather around and take a lot at the hottest animals in the world!)
(Because of people, animals are suffering.)
(Where has animal rights disappeared to?)
(I believe that animals need the same rights as people.)
(It's illegal to sell animals.)
(You need insurance for companion animals.)
(We need a tax on the owners.)
(How is a tax related to raising animals?)
(In which direction should animal rights go?)
(You just need to raise it with love.)
(It's a Monday night where you can become friends with animals.)
(Non Summit Meeting will air every Monday night at 10:50pm.)
("Shangri-La" by VIXX)
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